"I am totally using that online ordaining thing, the church pastor is not for me," she said turning to her friend, "Sebastian, actually you should get ordained and conduct my wedding."
All three of them grin in response.
"That would be the most blasphemous thing ever, I totally will do it, and then wear one of those white things the preachers wear," he replies and the laughter spills out of the room and down the quiet hall.
Sebastian Orosco and Joseph Jarvis, law students at the University of Kansas, are both gay. Schwener is straight.
In Kansas Schwener's friends can attend weddings, but cannot have their own.
All three of these friends belong to the law school's organization called OUTlaws & Allies, an outreach group for gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transsexual students (GLBT). Schwener is the president of OUTlaws & Allies and sees it as a chance for students to have a platform to discusses issues.
One of those issues this semester the students discussed was the campaign in California to outlaw same-sex marriage. The church campaign was successful, leaving same-sex couples across the U.S. discouraged that such a liberal state would ban homosexual marriages. Even in the liberal atmosphere of Lawrence, the homosexual community continues to struggle for acceptance within the town's Christian community.
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"I feel more comfortable here in Lawrence than in western Kansas. There are other heterosexuals who support homosexuality like me," said Schwener.
Unlike some communities Lawrence has made a slight effort to combat the 2005 same-sex marriage ban that Kansas passed, Jarvis said. Lawrence allows domestic partnerships.
A domestic partnership is an agreement between two people who live together and are not related. This information becomes public record and can be useful to employers as proof of living situations. It costs $75 to register, but provides no legal rights such as Social Security benefits.
"Unfortunately we have a long way to go in this highly conservative state. I feel that as the country starts progressing, it will move Kansas along; however, it is likely that in order for the changes to be made in Kansas it is probably going to have to require a federal (constitutional) amendment or decision handed down by the Supreme Court," Schwener said.
Some conservative Christian churches in Lawrence feel they have to be cautious about being critical of homosexuality for fear of turning away some members, said Chad Donohoe, Grace Evangelical Presbyterian Church college youth pastor.
"I definitely believe that KU has influenced the culture of Lawrence as well as the churches within Lawrence," Donohoe said.
Proposition 8
"When Proposition 8 was passed, it was almost a grieving session in California and around the U.S. for gays," said Jarvis, "This discrimination should not exist."
Jarvis' extended family choose to get married before election day.
The homosexual community felt that Proposition 8 took away civil rights from them. Many same-sex couples who were married before Proposition 8 passed, questioned if their marriage was still considered valid, Jarvis said.
"Proposition 8 is an example of the majority oppressing the minority, the homosexuals in this case," Orosco said.
Many people believe Proposition 8 was passed solely due advertisements that the Knights of Columbus and the Church of the Latter-Day Saints put together, said Jarvis.
"Over $75,000,000 went into advertising to pass Proposition 8, and the ads were pretty much like propaganda where they said anything in order to get votes," said Jarvis.
Professor Paul Zimdars-Swartz of the Department of Religious Studies with a specialty in Christianity agreed with Jarvis' ideas on the effects of the advertisements for Proposition 8. He said that the black churches in California raised large amounts of money and placed it towards advertising. Not only did Proposition 8 have the financial support from the black Christian community but more importantly it had their vote.
The outcome in California was discouraging to Lawrence homosexuals who fear if liberal California won't do this than conservative Kansas never will, Zimdars-Swartz said.
Conservative church leaders in Lawrence supported the ban on same-sex marriage.
"When given the chance to vote, I would vote to ban gay marriage," said Seth Davidson pastor of Vintage Church, "I do not want to live my life protesting gay marriage or any other singular issue. I want to raise the banner of Jesus for all those who are sinful and far from God myself included."
As a law student, Schwener said she felt like she understood the legal foundation of the nation and the tradition of church versus state.
"Marriage to this day is one of the few times when religion and state overlap, and that is unconstitutional," Schwener said.
Although Christians would prefer the law to follow their Biblical laws, church leaders understand this is unlikely, said Davidson.
"I'm for the separation of church and state because when the church and state are married, the state wins and the church loses. We as Christians are peculiar people, and therefore, I think we should stand outside of the state and politics," Davidson said.
Zimdars-Swartz says the real question when it comes to same-sex marriage in relation to state is if same-sex marriage is a civil right. If you believe that same-sex marriage is a right then the Supreme Court should not outlaw it he said.
"My personal belief is that same-sex marriage is definitely a civil right. And as a liberal Christian myself, that is not a view you typically hear a Christian say," said Zimdars-Swartz.
Stephanie Thompson, Lenexa, junior feels torn between her Catholic ideals and her family member's choices.
"I guess it is hard for me, I know what the church teaches in regards to homosexuality, but my aunt is a lesbian. Do I think she should have more legal rights? Yes I do. But I believe God says homosexuality is wrong," she said.
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Only Massachusetts and Connecticut allow same-sex marriage. Although these two states allow same-sex marriage the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) passed in 1996 under President Clinton's administration says that states that oppose same-sex are not required to recognize same-sex marriages conducted elsewhere.
It seems ridiculous that some states allow same-sex marriage but yet other states do not, Orosco said.
"It's a weird niche to be gay and a law student. We're specializing in how people get rights and coincidentally we need them as well," said Jarvis.
Schwener said she understands the difficulty religious people face when considering the issue of same-sex marriage.
"I consider myself lucky," she said, "I am not split on religious ideas and personal thoughts. Although I consider myself closest to agnosticism and I believe that religion and state can coexist."
Pastor Davidson likes the separation. He tells Christians to consult God first, and not be consumed with the ideas that society presents on an issue.
"My faith informs my political beliefs, and not the other way around," he said, "I am first a citizen of heaven and then a citizen of America."
Pastors Donohoe and Davidson believe that marriage is an institution that God created, and defined between one man and one woman.
"Though I don't agree with the lifestyle nor with gay marriage, I don't think I can stand in the way of civil unions for homosexuals. Humans are given free will, and those who do not have faith in Christ are not under His yoke or commands," Davidson said.
However, Zimdars-Swartz says the liberal Christian viewpoint is different.
"Liberal Christians, like myself who support same-sex marriage, do not have as much of an opportunity to speak in the public eye, simply because we are more tolerant," he said, "You don't get good publicity by being tolerant."
Historically monumental church leaders like Augustine and Luther affirmed that marriage is between a man and a woman, but rarely discussed how the church should respond to homosexuality.
Zimdars-Swartz studies' of sexuality within Christianity has lead him to the conclusion that Christians really object to male homosexuality because they are concerned that it feminises one of the males and this goes against nature.
Depending on what scripture you use you can defend the liberal or conservative Christian viewpoints, Zimdars-Swartz said.
"For the churches, this is such a hot topic in our day, and the culture in Lawrence is so quick to label you as a homophobe or bigot if you disagree with gay marriage," Donohoe said.
"Sadly, the Christian church doesn't seem to be very accepting of gays and lesbians. We accept fornicators, gluttons, and the prideful, but not homosexuals. There is a difference between acceptance, approving of homosexuality, and accepting the people who are involved in the life-style. We need to love and accept homosexuals and encourage them in their faith," Davidson said.
Gays and lesbians tend to put a barrier up towards religious people due to the lack of acceptance.
"After awhile I assume that a religious person will just not agree with me. I can't tell you how many times I have been told I am going to hell because I support same-sex marriage," said Schwener.
Different beliefs on homosexuality have caused a schism between church denominations, in Lawrence and nationally.
For instance the Unitarians, and the United Church of Christ typically support same-sex marriages, according to Zimdars-Swartz.
In the next few years Zimdars-Swartz believes that the Methodists, Lutherans, Presbyterians, and Episcopalians will all split internally over this issue. In fact one Episcopalians church already has a gay preacher, said Zimdars-Swartz.
The differences within congregations on issues such as same-sex marriage are dividing members and causing large church discussions.
Donohoe believes that many members of his own congregation may not know what they really believe when it comes to homosexuality.
"There's tremendous pressure to give in to the culture and the culture is very much in favor of gay marriage. Some Christians look at the passages in the Bible and see the verses as being culturally conditioned and that they don't think sexual orientation is mandated for all people in all time," Davidson said.
Students who support rights for homosexuals, see the potential for change.
Jarvis, who once lived in a gay community in Washington D.C., returned to Kansas with the hope of shaking up the uptight views on homosexuality, he said.
"I mean honestly what I could I do, surrounded by all of my gay friends in Washington. They all already support same-sex marriage," Jarvis said.
